Template talk:Master gear list

usage

parameters

All parameters should be used numerically - i.e. hut=1, days=2, hike=1 to set them. All uses of this template should include at least one of the basic parameters (hike=1, ski=1, snowshoe=1, climb=1, scramble=1 or mountaineering=1)

days

The number of days of the trip. This will be used to calculate fuel and food amounts.

hut

adjusts fuel calculation based on staying in a hut.

hike

set to 1 for a basic hike

ski

set to 1 for a backcountry skiing trip

climb

set to 1 for a technical rock climbing trip

scramble

set to 1 for a rock scrambling trip

mountaineering

set to 1 for mountaineering. May be combined with climb=1.

glacier

Set to 1 for any trip involving glacier travel. This includes ski trips, snowshoe trips, as well as general mountaineering.

snowshoe

set to 1 for any snowshoe trip

avalanche

set to 1 to add avalanche equipment to any type of trip.

no_avalanche

By default ski trips and snowshoe trip gear lists will have avalanche equipment. This option will remove it for trips to suitably safe destinations. (N.B. This option doesn't appear to exist --Matthew 17:11, 24 January 2009 (PST))

season

adjusts fuel consumption and clothing lists for season. valid values are "winter" "spring" "summer" and "fall". This is a mandatory parameter, with a default value of "winter".

melt

adjusts fuel consumption to take account for melting snow in the summer.

heater

set to 0 to remove the reference to bringing fuel to run a catalytic heater, if the destination doesn't have one.

examples

{{master gear list|days=2|ski=1|hut=0}}

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Discussion

Great idea Scott. Thanks. --Matthew 14:42, 29 January 2008 (PST)

I think the white gas calculation needs to differentiate between hut trips where melting snow to make water is unnecessary, e.g. Waddington, and hut trips where it is, e.g. Brew. The calculation assumes you need 50 ml pppn less if staying in a hut, but that would only seem to be correct when the hut has a (liquid) water source. I suppose for Brew there is the wood stove for melting water, but this isn't always the case. --Matthew 15:13, 29 January 2008 (PST)

I find I need less fuel when melting snow in a hut because the air is warmer and there's no wind. That's why I have the fuel amount specified as 50mL less for huts even in mid winter. If there's a liquid water source you could go with even less fuel, but it's always good to be safe is case you can't find the water. Scott Nelson 22:23, 29 January 2008 (PST)

Defaults

We should figure out what all the defaults are and post them next to the parameters above... also, are any parameters mandatory? The true answer is "no" currently, because if you just type in {{master gear list}} you get the essentials, clothing and food (lunch and snacks x1). Scott Webster 11:58, 30 January 2008 (PST)

Old gear lists

Shall I retire the old nested template gear lists? I don't think anyone was using them anyway. Scott Nelson 15:19, 30 January 2008 (PST)

I'd say yes, just check the "what links here" function first and tidy up any pages where they were used. I think you're right that there aren't many places they were in use. --Matthew 15:05, 12 February 2008 (PST)

additions?

Things I would probably add to the list (for an overnight ski trip anyway...):

• Repair kit
• whistle
• lighter/matches
• TP (if there is an outhouse)

Possibly as optional:

• GPS/Altimeter
• Sun Hat (depends on the trip, could be important)
• telephone
• backpack (perhaps too obvious)
• summit/day pack
• bootie covers (worth mentioning?)
• foam pad for sitting on (worth mentioning?)

Just some thoughts, maybe you guys can add them using your template-guru skills if you think they are good ideas. I guess we want to keep the list fairly simple, but fairly comprehensive... not a trivial task. Scott Webster 23:44, 31 January 2008 (PST)

backpack was already on the list. I added a whistle, TP and repair kits for skiing and snowshoeing. I think it's good to keep the list fairly basic, otherwise some people will bring too much stuff. I also added matches/lighter as well since this seems to be a fairly standard essential emergency item. Scott Nelson 07:51, 1 February 2008 (PST)

Thanks. The matches or lighter or some fire starting implement will be necessary to light your stove in any event... Scott Webster 08:32, 1 February 2008 (PST)

tweak for simple crevasse rescue (glacier travel on skis)?

I just tried to add the master gear list to the Joint ACC/VOC Garibaldi Neve Traverse 2008, like this:

{{master gear list|days=2|ski=1|hut=1|glacier=1}}

...it outputs a whole list of climbing gear most of which is not really needed for simple crevasse rescue:

• Helmet
• ice axe
• harness
• belay device
• carabiners
• rope
• prussik cords
• anchor slings
• snow anchors
• ice screws

Anyone who carried all that across the Neve would be insane in my book. All you really need for crevasse rescue is rope (or thin static cord), prussiks, a double-length sling to make a diaper harness, and a few biners. For a snow anchor you can use deadman'd skis. --Matthew 15:53, 20 February 2008 (PST)

It's so hard to make a general list like this. Personally I think having it output this extra stuff is "ok" for _me_ because I can look at the list and decide whether or not I really need an ice axe for this trip... but this is certainly NOT the "minimum" required for any old VOC participant on the trip. In this case it seems like another parameter might be appropriate to distinguish between summer mountaineering on a glacier and ski touring.

For winter ski touring I think the list should be:

• ice axe
• harness
• carabiners
• rope
• prussiks

People can bring a webbing to make a harness if they want. Ice axe is definitely more debatable, but you'd want one for a lot of tours. Unfortunately for true "mountaineering" in the winter, you'll need a list that is very similar to the summer mountaineering list. As a final comment, people can always subst the template onto their trip page and then tweak it (I think). Scott Webster 16:27, 20 February 2008 (PST)

I removed snow anchors, helmet and ice screws from the list anytime ski=1 is specified.. I used an #ifexpr to evaluate the more complex boolean expressions. This requires that the parameters are entered numerically. Also, if you specify helmet=1 it will add a helmet, because sometimes you want one when skiing steep stuff. Scott Nelson 16:37, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

spacing issues

There is lots of whitespace generated by this template. I had a go at trying to remove it, but that hosed the headings. Maybe someone else has a better idea of how to do this. --Matthew 21:07, 2 September 2008 (PDT)

I fixed it by putting a <br> on the line before the heading Scott Nelson 08:17, 3 September 2008 (PDT)